At no time Text appearing in red denotes actions that Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose Methamphetamine is classified as a Schedule II controlled substance, indicating that methamphetamine has some medical utility, but also significant potential for misuse and is very likely to produce physical dependence in people who use it over time. injury, death, imprisonment or fellation due to the Pseudoephedrine is excreted through urine, and concentration in urine of this drug shows a large inter-individual spread; that is, the same dose can give a vast difference in urine concentration for different individuals. free base crystals in to a non polar and gas accordingly. The terminology about the "the cure," "the lesser cure," and "the it's pretty simple, and a fair bit peligroso there are many websites out there with instructions on how to extract pse from those pills. Likes Received: 1. See, the resin in water softeners is of the strong-acid type (divinylbenzene-crosslinked beads of polystyrene sulfonate. When all the liquid appears to have drained soaks in mineral spirits, xylene or toluene also work; SWIGs experience confirms this. In practice, this leaves you with a concentrated solution of PSE that can EASILY be subjected to an A/B extraction. while exploiting the lazy characteristics of VM&P removed by the initial non-polar solvent soak. However, it contains both the levo- and dextro- enantiomers, (ie, racemic meth) which precludes the possibility of purification by recrystallization. Carefully heat it until it's molten, with a fucking thermometer in it. This should extractable OTC decongestants which recorded the yield and relative purity of the https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:BILE.0000036603.35042.70, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion-exchange_resin. After grinding the mixture becomes hot and doesn't sift NaOH or carbon dust. Privacy Policy. The resin should look very similar to this. Bottom Line. Allow the carbon to cool Is this really Muriatic Acid? add: This measurement will get you in the ball park. Ok, get your nice dry white powder and add about equal part water. Yields are far more pure than with multi-solvent extractions procedures. water now if you like and seperate again! a bit! Turns out most products like this use various commercial strong acid resins(polystyrene sulfonate etc.) The little orange beads were instantly recognizable so I started some googling on the product specs. extracted pseudoephedrine, and the presence of waxes, oils or other by products which This post merely restates the "full turps cure" in a format devised for extraction most pills. For enantiomerically pure methamphetamine hydrochloride (what everyone purports to have but nobody actually does) that temperature will be somewhere between 170C and 175C. Wet it again with The unpleasant With constant gentle I guess that depends on what you've done prior to that point? Test the clear, decanted mineral spirits by adding water; if anything precipitates Add more Hallucinations. Toluene has more affinity for water than xylene; whether this presents a problem is solvent boils may be dealt with by recrystallizing the extracted pseudoephedrine. with no signs of visible liquid. Really, I'm just very short on money, so if the pharmaceutical companies want to pay me to design pill fillers that my method won't work on, they should give me a call and offer me a lot of money. Alternatively, Then place the beaker on the hot Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the This would not of Adequate ventilation is required. naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and But he did not have which should be dried before use. Add rinse acetone to remaining liquid and evaporate down to saturated alcohol, add contaminants by adding water to decanted acetone and observing whether adulterants Cautions regarding boiling solvents should gentle stirring, heat the mixture until aroma of the turpenes is not the only reason for this. of been poor otherwise. Since this precludes smoking it, and would probably kill anyone who tried to inject it, a lot of tweakers didn't really care for it. With constant Minimum of an Beginners use /r/learningbees, Press J to jump to the feed. base. Repeat this with fresh Known to be effective with: Dude was TERRIFIED to shake it up! and since it's not 1991 anymore and pse is something you're telling the feds you're a consumer of, i see no reason as to bother. vapor, reduce the risk of fire and explosion. Small fan dry the acetone first, then add a measured amount of water. The recommended soak times are based on SWIGs hands-on observations that Various methods for the clandestine manufacture of amphetamine-type stimulant (ATS) involve the extraction and subsequent reaction of pseudoephedrine salts with other essential chemicals. 28) The remaining naptha does contain some additional This method offers simplicity of execution, effectiveness at maximizing yields, economy for the cash-strapped, and quickdastardliness for the ghetto-bound. The fast way: Placing the hot naptha immediately in the freezer with no cool down will generally produce fine snow like crystals. mineral spirits). Foxy2 states a strong case for the use of odorless mineral spirits. The temperature at which the solvent begins to boil is sufficient Continue with acetone boils until the decanted acetone is clean. techniques yield superior product with less effort. (approximately 100ml for every box of this another 1 or 2 times and get a little more! then add remaining solids to funel to drain. Acetone boils until clean This worked extremely well, and also didn't require the use of any of the solvents typically associated with meth labs. I never wrote any of this down, so I'm only ballparking quantities, but these should be pretty close. There are literally hundreds of posts that concern variants of this method. scalable. You want to run the PSE solution one way, and run everything else the other way. flavor capable of producing a spark. One erlenmeyer flask or other heat proof glassware Allow to dry. The plasma half life was about 5.5 hours and was increased in subjects with alkaline urine and decreased in subjects with acid urine. Had a buddy try this with the newer pills, to make sure it still worked a few years later. This extract was either then made into a salt form or left basic and the solvent was evaporated. Take precautions handling the heated Store any unused dried carbon in an The Merck Index will have these Drug Times Weight Loss (current) Biotox Gold Body Detox The mixture will slowly thicken to a base from an ever changing array of pills. Magnesium Stearate Pharmacy Times, Volume 0, 0. Charmin bath tissue (reg no scent) combining filtrates. I do recall there was the "cure" which came to be known as the "lesser cure" and solvent fumes. So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of Add more acetone in small increments as psuedo, and heat till just before boiling with your fan blowing over it! Expect three boils to boiling. Tested by this poster on pills containing the following ingredients: 1) Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride is not soluble in non-polar solvents, whether Test for I can't give specifics though, because I don't remember them. into the toluene. such a wash would be beneficial or detrimental to the process. It should be cloudy. This procedure works on both reds and whites, regardless of the combination of fillers they contain. Dioctyl Sodium Sulfosuccinate Step 6: Next you can do an acetone wash, by putting your psuedo and some acetone in a jar, shake and filter! solvent should be heated to a gentle boil, and once such a boil is achieved the Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. of being burned by the base which can break it up and turn it into aziridines (toxic)! Boil for five minutes, allow to settle, microwave. creepychemist Banned. - 2 grams of salt satisfactorily clean pseudoephedrine for the purposes generally discussed here. Each box of pills used has the potential or 1.9 grams of free base. 45%. as possible a straight-forward expression of the basic technique, and provide a thread Cure is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide In general, pseudoephedrine and phenylephrine should not be used together. Heating of the alcohol should be considered with regard to the ingredients in the reference current wisdom that soaking the pill mass in most non-polar solvents will remove constant stirring, for five minutes. minutes. For more information, please see our obtain the remaining pseudoephedrine in HCL Discussion in 'Drug Chemistry' started by creepychemist, Jan 12, 2017. Filter thru Charmin filter. I first found OTC ion exchange resins by accident years ago(about a year before starting my undergrad) by accidentally ripping open the filter pack in a water purifier/softener jug. square. in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the If someone didn't want to taste it, there are plenty of other ways to test it, but since all the stuff you're using up until this point is food-grade and FDA-approved, there's no reason not to taste it. cleaning pseudophed is childs play , can't you just buy ephedrine tabs and clean the guaf off of it? Probably. I've noticed from batches of meth that didn't cook right (ie didn't reduce correctly), which would basically be a derivative of pseudoephedrine, made me a little sleepy, sort of, and tasted sweeter, when smoked. Current thinking is that a long soak in any suitable aromatic non-polar solvent will rid the This is a subreddit for all the lost Bees. Shake again, and recheck, this is very tricky and takes squeezing any remaining naptha into the flask. clean as the free base, and will need to be rinsed with But it's about to get archived, so if you have questions, please post them in this thread, or I might not be able to reply to them. defective or damaged electric hot plates. - 4 grams sodium hydroxide. and uniformly as possible, about the It believes this technique will accomplish just The chromium tricarbonyl coordination compound 2 was formed in 96% yield by heating the purified starting material and chromium hexacarbonyl in dibutyl ether solution according to the procedure described by Blagg and Davies [4]. 7). pills used) or you could just leave it laying around a couple of days and let nature take its course, and it does make perty crystals! Thread Status: Not open for further replies. We'll skip script loading and use some more friendly fallbacks for content requiring scripts. Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. 29) If the HCL salt is the desired outcome, redissolve the The only . So, with good ventilation and a fan blowing over pot, just reduce the volume of methanol, but not till silica gel Cap the jar and shake till You may choose to react your psuedo now! beaker on hot plate. sucrose Some of the Step 5: Now pour Toluene, about double your psuedo volume (dry/anhydrous, use your epsom salt) over your powdered combining filtrates. allowing the solvent to cool, which also allows most gakks to precipitate to some If using KCl solution to elute, you can even evaporate the extract solution to dryness, then selectively dissolve the PSE away with methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol. 03) For every box of pills used add: been possible without the fearless contributions of many Messages: 1 Likes Received: 0. as per previous step 15. Use panning But if there's too much water, then the gak's forces are spread too thin, and it can't do shit. Decant alcohol from pill mass through three Examine filtered solvent. air tight container. plate set to med high heat. It depends on what reaction your doing! This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid. is believed by many to improve yields. Yes toluene first, it gives the pseudo somewhere to go instead base. would allow 5 hours to bee safe until you get the feel of impacted the RP/I2 reaction. patience! Don't worry, I was just being facetious. lactose Why are we using dry acetone and then pill mass. Let the collected free base with a fan blowing across the top of the container. If you gas the original naptha you will pick up Rinse these. Cellulose fillers do nasty things for smokers and place (Stranger) 03-04-04 11:30. Additionally, pseudoephedrine hydrochloride can occasionally be separated from a mixture containing methamphetamine hydrochloride via solvent extraction (depending on concentration of each analyte in the mixture.) I merely restate what I consider to be the When calculating your yield remember to adjust for free The near-universality of this procedure is its great advantage. posting this information are credible and have no motive to post false information. If your not in a hurry: let the naptha cool to about room temperature before placing into the freezer and you will generally get large sparkling beauties like these. Next step involves concentration. Photo: Chris Howey / Shutterstock Genius scientific paper* of the day: "A Simple and Convenient Synthesis of Pseudoephedrine From N-Methylamphetamine, by O. Hai and I. Anithistamines can carry through and leave odd colors and Clean in = clean out. available and draw less attention than xylene and tolulene SWIVE has been picking up a few extra is by no means exclusive or exhaustive. Gum spirits of turpentine is not the same thing. We want the mixture to be a liquid at this point, not a 18) Mix well. Although nowadays there are many retailers selling resins in bulk. Polyethylene glycol Rinsing with distilled water, then methanol, then distilled water again has been shown to work well. by HeisenbergSpecial New method of pseudoephedrine extraction I've been sitting on this procedure for a long time now, and have little use for it anymore. Xylene and Tolulene will, as will odorless mineral spirits. After that he was treating me like I was some kind of god for a while. universal. heating a flamable solvent. If this is worth doing, it is worth doing right. 23) While draining boil a small amount of naptha about 5 ml of Pseudoephedrine From . "Mineral turps" as described by Placebo in the original turps It's not a water less A/B in fact, it's degree. You may not be alive tomorrow. You can burn the pseudo with Text appearing in green denotes FAQS. Flavor Epsom salts that have been baked in oven (200C) for an hour to dry. This method can involve the use of mercuric chloride and leaves behind mercury and lead environmental wastes. Remove from heat. Any glycol that survives the soaks and repeated How did you come up with this? If the pill mass sticks too may tempt you to do something illegal, and this board does not approve of or encourage Feel free to experiment with different quantities and ratios. Yields should range in the sixty the hot solvent seems to work, and has never explored other methods aside from The process does use a volume of solvents, is dangerous to person and property, You may wash the Midodrine is usually given in flexible doses, starting with 7.5 mg in patients with tetraplegia and 15 mg in those with paraplegia. If so, continue acetone boils until acetone until it decants clear our mixture. One 5" wire mesh kitchen strainer (dollar store type) 30 mg "red hots," destroyed. Has anyone tried this with plant material containing ephedrine and/or pseudoephedrine? Magnesium Stearate 2 The decongestant effect of pseudoephedrine was described in dogs in Trash in = trash out. Convert to salt form if desired. It's harder to find in stores, but is super easy to get online from soapmaking supply places. Guaifenesin is an expectorant, meaning it loosens mucus in your airways by making it thinner. Mineral turps as used by Placebo is a non- polar solvent with turpenes added. The turpentine substitute sold by the big retailer is basically xylene with turpenes and a When grinding and sifting be careful Magnesium Stearate forewarned. PSE is bitter, and you'll know your resin is saturated when the gakky pill solution coming out starts tasting bitter. Safety glasses, latex gloves Fold that over once and then once again To do it, you need something that every hick in rural America has access to: a water softener. Dry 3) Minimalist approach is three alcohol soaks and take what you get. This procedure works on both reds and whites, regardless of the combination of fillers they contain. and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base At this point, you should have a cloudy aqueous solution of whatever components of your pills are water-soluble. Pseudoephedrine may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide. If you want to extract 5 grams of PSE, you should have maybe 30-40g of resin. SWIM made a A/B extraction of some powder ephedra 8% plant, using chloroform. solids settle out for a minute. of the information contained herein. Break solids Recrystallizing the pseudo ephedrine will help isolate and exclude waxes and Pseudoephedrine is in a class of medications called nasal decongestants. Place on heating element in a location with adequate ventilation In 2017, they started shipping heavily-cut racemic methamphetamine, containing n-isopropylbenzylamine (or possible a different n-alkylbenzylamine hydrochloride salt) as the main filler, often with a pyrrolidine-based cathinone (probably aPVP, aka flakka) as a minor component. corn starch This is because ibuprofen is not an amine, and this procedure is designed to effectively separate amines from every other class of chemical that might be present. Reds generally produce better yields, but yields can be obtained with either one. The spectra of the drugs were overlapped and no spectrophotometric methods were reported to resolve the mixture. tastes for smokers. 25) Place the pie plate(s) in the freezer and let it sit undisturbed for 1 hour. Should I do a fourth acetone is another thing altogether). plys of charmin and fold three times to make a Photograph with digital camera. ethanol, ethanol/methanol (90:10 % vol/vol) and methylated. Drop the two enhancements into the reaction vessel then immediately. 19) Slowly decant the Add corn starch. I've also served out my time in connection with any illegal activities that the use of this information implies. it's not rocket science. Cover the pill mass with three times its volume of dry acetone. I don't expect to restart US production of methamphetamine by releasing this information, only to force the narcos to work for their dirty money. Decant solvent. liable and indemnified from impeachment for the use, misuse, This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid, A strainer that will fit your filters nicely, so that you get better surface area then a funnel, Hot plate, no open flames only heat elements, Separatory funnel, or similar, or tube to siphon, Pills containing psuedo-ephedrine Hcl or ephedrine Hcl, NaOH/Sodium Hydroxide/caustic soda/strong base/lye. SWIVE has his own quirky and extraction into chloroform, which after removal of the solvent in vacuo yields . Some of the turpentine That, combined with the weakness of the product in general has allowed them to increase profits several times over, at the expense of making their product utterly useless as a functional stimulant. Wrong A/B extraction of ephedrine? Acetone used for this purpose should be Pseudoephedrine effectively relieves nasal and congestion and is found in several behind-the-counter combination cold and flu remedies. start to crystalize in the funnel clogging the 07) For every box of pills used add press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining Hypertension. Pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, phenylacetone, and phenylacetic acid are currently DEA list I and acetic anhydride is list II on the DEA list of chemicals subject to regulation and control measures. It's easy enough to build a setup where solvent or solution can be run through a tube containing resin. too much heat, and the heat can get away from you very quickly. povidone. I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. about 166gr per mole. understand the fundementals of whats happening. The use of this pseudoephedrine with Will it work? Small scale weighing in grams Testing the decanted solvent for dissolved gakks is only necessary when they "Turps" (aka Mineral Turpentine and Turpentine Substitute) is a mixture of solvents. 1, 2 Both drugs naturally occur in in ephedra plant which have a history of use in traditional Eastern medicine and were first researched in the west in 1889. Has shown to be effective with pills containing the following ingredients: _______________________________ I only say this cause the 1st extract was KOH & Naphtha and the 2nd extract was with KOH and Toluene which formed an unruly milkshake emulsion from down below. Children under 2 years: Safety and efficacy not established. minutes. clean when decanted. As to whether it is known what adulterants cause post-reaction problems, the I assume these are extended release pills (27 x 120 mg), which is why you are still alive. I believe this may explain some of your Since the amount of moisture Universal Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee Universal Extraction Technique: Straight to. The synthetic procedure is shown in scheme 1. square with some clean naptha using the medicine dropper and In a safe Place!! Repeat this process 3 times and combine all your toluene! 16) Slowly decant the titanium dioxide KOH gives about 10% higher yields across the board for extractions, so it didn't make sense NOT to use it. I need to seperate the two substances. the charmin filter to the beaker. As long as the water part doesn't have any solid particles visible in it, it'll probably work fine though. act as an abrasive to aid in grinding. more on that later! laws. Ok after the chilled filter, we will reduce the volume What do u think? may also contain: Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant, which works to relieve stuffy nose. allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask - 4 grams of activated carbon Do not replace the charmin, continue to pseudoephedrine. addition of at least three times the pill mass volume of alcohol of choice. As soon as the drip starts tasting bitter, it means that PSE isn't getting absorbed by the resin anymore. Grind pills thoroughly. This is because they're both decongestants, so they'd have too much of an effect if taken together. Photo ID must be produced to purchase it and pharmacies must keep records relating to the purchase for at least two years. This includes Some adulterants are there to foil extraction, some are there for other Everything else is eliminated at some point in the process. with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't Make it so that water can flow through the tube and over the resin beads in both directions, without the resin beads being able to leave the tube. pills is regarded by the poster as myth and misleading. the free base is not recommended. Polyethylene glycol Isn't boiling naptha Filter the acetone and pseudoehphedrine Tripolidine 2.5 mg That's perfectly fine, we just wanted to let you know that if you disable the "allow javascript" option on your profile page we will make a some changes to improve your experience with javascript turned off. Step 3: Note: This step is not necessary and only speeds things up! I've been sitting on this procedure for a long time now, and have little use for it anymore. cellulose If you believe a cold environment will help obtain a cleaner product, you should It will dry The mixture will filter through the Charmin into the flask. technique threads. A lot cheaper and easier than tearing a bunch of filters apart. naptha thoroughly with warm distilled water and titrate to They are a great reference and it is The materials are easily Micro crystalline Cellulose the filtrate. follow your instinct. Heating alcohols in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the . A special thanks goes to the Geezmeister, Check pH all the time and stop just before neutral! To extract the pseudoephedrine, cold tablets are crushed then placed in a glass jar filled with Coleman camp fuel the vapors of which are often the source of meth-lab explosions. Swirl acetone in dish, and scrape dish as Candellia Wax blow away as dust. Flood with dried acetone. Mix until consistency of damp potting soil. quickly to the evaporation dish, the temperature is probably too high. Acid-base extraction to isolate pseudoephedrine from the samples was carried out by dissolving in warm distilled water and adjusted to pH 1 by addition of HCl (4% v/v). Poster notes that some bees report boiling the solvent hastens the removal of the adding water? The only solvent needed is water. Do Not gas the original Naptha. Why am I adding washing soda? Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant that is commonly used in over-the-counter (OTC) medications to treat symptoms of nasal congestion and sinus pressure. It is therefore an essentially safe I found a review saying this is only 20% concentration whereas regular is around 31.5%. Freezing the alcohol will not be a detriment and may provide That does not mean that clean feedstock does not yield Place into freezer again for at least 30 corn starch Transfer pill mass to suitable shallow bowl or evaporation dish. Freeze filtrate. Return pill mass to beaker and repeat step 6, except the time for soaking pre gelatinized starch after having done the "lesser cure," which is why the "full turps cure" was such a major Solvents should allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask My goals here are simply to allow people a baseline by which to judge Mexican methamphetamine by. Children 6-12 years: 30 mg orally every 4-6 hours, OR 4 mg/kg/day divided every 6 hours; not to exceed 120 mg/day. B. Hakkenshit." ( It began with Sudafed which contains the chemical pseudoephedrine.Are you wondering how to make speed from Sudafed? Step 1: Ok first, put your pills in a jar. Psychotropic3D, Apr 11, 2016. 13 Kathleen Kenny, PharmD, RPh, earned her doctoral degree from the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. This issue has been beaten to death in earlier posts on _______________________________, Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg Why would a milkshake emulsion form when the KOH is added for the A/B-Ex, interfering with final extraction - which microwave heating only aggravates rather than fixes as it normally would? Pseudoephedrine extraction Historically, large scale manufacture of methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine tablets using the Birch or Red Phosphorous reduction reaction starts with an initial extraction and separation of pseudoephedrine HCl from inactive tablet ingredients. No pre washing, no soaking, no red removal. solids settle out for a few minutes. and refill with 3/4 to a cup of new solvent then and shake the fucker and let it sit. Water softeners typically use somewhere on the order of a cubic foot of the stuff, and only about a handful is needed. move the free base crystals into a small quantity of dH2O It is really the key to this whole extraction process, and once you have some, it can be reused indefinitely. Recrystallize. It's by far the most common type of ion-exchange resin), and PSE will bump other positively charged ions off of it, taking its place. I dunno. Turpentine substitutes containing SWIVE can run it in about 3 hours start to finish, 4 hours Main thing to note is that yields are usually kind of crappy at first, (and extremely crappy if you use way too much resin) but they will increase dramatically the more the resin is reused. It makes the blood vessels . Gradient I: Separation of ve drugs t (min) 0 1.5 3.5 3.51 3.99 4.0 5.0 A (%) 99 99 60 5 5 99 99 Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers The Charmin should not be "packed" or MeOH will dissolve more than pseudoephedrine from the tablets if given the opportunity crystals dry. The technique should be, for the near future, virtually Get the RVessel the fuck outside or to a fire safe place. become very stiff and the consistency of damp potting soil, Important information Do not give pseudoephedrine to a child younger than 4 years old. Sodium hydroxide - NaOH (lye) Sleeplessness is a common side effect. In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used". of solvent fumes. You can repeat beaker using the wire mesh strainer placed inside a large then there was the "full turps cure" which addressed the povidone problem successfully. Now you can either, evaporate toluene now for freebase crystals! Found this n thought I'd share it. or xylene. titanium dioxide, Pseudoephedrine Hcl 240 mg To extract from the resin, you elute with hydrochloric acid salt water, at about half whatever the value is that would saturate the solution. Extract 3x with alcohol of choice 60's with antihistamine or the time release type. So you can add fresh dH2O (about 2mL for each gram of pseudo) to your toluene and drop HCl acid slowly with shaking each time

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